"Yaaaabaaaaa!!!"...Another Israeli Atrocity
Her screams are still ringing in my ears, more than 9 hours after I first saw the footage of the Palestinian girl crying for her father. They had been picnicking on the beach. What other activity could be more peaceful than parents taking their children on a picnic at the beach? Out of nowhere, the shells hit the children making sand castles and enjoying the day with their family. Within minutes, the joyous outing had turned into a fatal one, with blood covering the sand and the bodies spread out across the targeted area.
I cannot get her voice out of my head. Her screams pierced through my body and soul as she began to fathom the fate of her father lying lifelessly in front of her. "Yaaaabaaaa" means "Daaaaddyyyy". Her Daddy is no more. Her Mommy is no more. Her siblings are no more.
(this is my recording of the AlJazeera report on the incident)
Oh, and by the way, it was an "accident".
Link to video
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posted by moi @ 10:02 PM
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70 Comments:
Sick. Simply sick.
Thanks alot Moi for uploading, I was hoping someone would be able to. For people who missed it to see this cold blood killing.
Its not only sick, its phsycotic...Allah yentaqem menhom
Moi, I'll take the liberty to link to the video...
I can't stop the tears from running down , each time I try and pretend to forget her screams, I put myself in her shoes and I start crying again...
La hawla wala qowata illa billah.
This is one of thousands of stories that depicts the plight and suffering of the Palestinian people, but the world still silent and helpless. I assure you that our life shall go and struggle shall continue despite the daily horrific crimes committed by the enemy of humanity.
We are determined to achieve our freedom and independence.
fathi tobail
Gaza, Palestine
This is one of thousands of stories that depicts the plight and suffering of the Palestinian people, but the world still silent and helpless. I assure you that our life shall go and struggle shall continue despite the daily horrific crimes committed by the enemy of humanity.
We are determined to achieve our freedom and independence.
fathi tobail
Gaza, Palestine
This is one of thousands of stories that depicts the plight and suffering of the Palestinian people, but the world still silent and helpless. I assure you that our life shall go and struggle shall continue despite the daily horrific crimes committed by the enemy of humanity.
We are determined to achieve our freedom and independence.
fathi tobail
Gaza, Palestine
For as long as Palestinians are not viewed as human beings, these kinds of 'accidents' will keep happening. Poor little girl.
Dont't you know that we are at war? When you want to "liberate" my land of my presence, or to create some sort of Califate instead of my country - killing as many Jews as possible in the process - you will get a response. War, as you may realize, is not just riding a horse with a green banner in one hand spinning a sabre in another - I leave these theatrics for your TV propaganda machine. Sometimes non-combatants also suffering. You may not believe me, but had there been a political willingness in Israel to clean Western Land of Israel of Arabs it would have been done quickly and effectively. And one more thing: stop calling any IDF operation a "massacre" or something in this style - you may actually bring it upon yourself. It's just too bad for all of us, that nobody wants "Palestinians" as neighbours. Have you ever thought why?
Ah, you folks must pray to Allah for the well-being of Israel. First, because my country feeds your people, provides them with free electricity, water, telephone services, helps your women to bear more "freedom fighters" in Israeli hospitals etc.
Second, because without Israel to blame, you would have been as important as any african tribe of mediocre proportions - meaning, no money, no international exposure and so on. Pray to Allah for Zionists, all of you, "Jordanians" included. Had there be no Israel - Jordan would have not survived her brotherly Arab neighbours.
I have a question: why are none of the bodies apparently damaged? This isn't a 500 lb. bomb hitting a building where you might get concrete rubble burying you and covering you from further damage, this is an artillery strike on a beach. The beach is composed of sand, there is no debris to cause damage aside from the actual artillery explosion. Why don't the bodies, including the "injured" ones they are taking away in stretchers, show any damage?
I can't get her screams out of my head either, sadly.
If all that beach crap got hit, why are the flip-flops they zoom in on lying there in perfect order?
The ambulance is at the scene already, before the girl even gets over to the corpses of her parents. How is that?
Hmmmm....
Of course, the journalists are there to film it all - right from the beginning.
People may have died on the beach due to an artillery strike, but does this video really portray it? Or is this another Pallywood production?
Tommy,
You are a nothing but a Nazi, this time your enemy is Arabs and Muslims. And still you hang around Arab Bloggers to spread your propaganda.
You hate towards us is disgusting.
I wish you just save us the time and the trouble of accidentally reading your random comments in the Arab blogsphere.
What a Moron!
Tommy, your 1st impressions only shows your true biased attitude. A normal Objective person would condemn this act 1st, then he would normaly wait for things to unfold.
You on the other hand, quickly turn to deniel and defensive.
Plus, it has happened before were innocent pals have been killed. So what makes it so hard to beleive that this is just another one of those incidents that happen on a daily basis?
Ask yourself this question: At 1st instant of an attack on Israelis, have you ever questioned the authenticity of the attack and wonder if the Israelis staged it?
The answer my friend, is why the wolrd today is in conflict. Because each side only sees things the way it wants to see them.
You are not helping but adding to the fire.
Tommy - until you realise that Israel was created in the land of Palestine, that Muslim Christian and Jew lived peacefully together as neighbours in a very vibrant and integrated environment before that foreign breed of racist Zionism hit Palestine's peaceful shores - and that Zionist terrorists such as the Stern Gang and their ilk doomed you forever; your hatred towards Arabs, their culture and their identity will continue to consume you until you no longer exist. Dwell on that for a change and allow others their right to cry for justice and freedom - such as 'Moi'.
Hey, there what makes you think that the land you call "Palestine" belongs to Arabs? Care to show some proof? Just mind you - stolen property belongs to a rightful owner, even if stolen from the first thief. Or, by the way, could someone tell me the difference between "palestinian" and "jordanian"? Different language? Different religion? Language, maybe? As far as I know, 80% of the Jordanian populance are "palestinians". So, when Israel has 75% Jewish majority - it is a Jewish state, but when the beduin kingdom of Jordan has 80% of pals - isn't it a Palestinian state? Take the rest of them, your state was created on our land anyway - and it will surely bring us peace in our time :)))
One last observation and I'll leave it at that:
If a shell hit soft sand wouldn't there be a noticable impact crater? I don't see anything resembling a crater in the video.
Andy, telling this to us is no use. The ones you should be talking to are the ones you are fighting.
The world called Mandela and the ANC terrorists during apartheid south africa, and now they have their country back and Mandela has a noble prize.
I wonder which Palestinian will get that prize (the real one!)...any guesses??
All I can say is, If someone took your home, don't settle for the garrage.
tommy,
You are a deaf ear. I just realised that talking to you is as the arabic saying goes "as good as a donkey carrying books."
He has no clue what hes is carrying.
gooday.
Tommy, to the best of my knowledge, the famous Muhammed al-Dura ( the first victim of blood-thirsty Zionists, whose tragic death was so timely and miraculously captured on video) is about to get married in Gaza-city. The question is - should the Arabs rename hundreds of memorial schools, mosques and terrorist training camps, or not?
So are you hinting that the 2 Israeli guys caught taping the 1st plane crashing into the towers, had to do with the attacks on sep 11th??? hmmmmm.
What about the fact that non a single jew went to work in the toweres that day, especialy when you consider half the financial firms in the towers are owned by Jews.. and also considering that the Jerusalem post reported that Israeli families were concerned about 2500 of their relatives who worked there...hmmmm.....
http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2005/Jan/14-260933.html
I've got no answer to my question: If 75% Jewish majority is enough to constitute Israel as a Jewish state, why 80% "Palestinian" majority is not enough to make Jordan into "Palestinian" state? Moreover, it was carwed out from historic Land of Israel in 1922 to satisfy political ambitions of one of the beduin chieftains. You are all, or almost all Pals - so, make it official, and take the rest of your relatives on. Relieve them from grovelling under the brutal boot of an Israeli occupier. (By the way, hundreds of Arabs are being caught monthly at Israeli borders, trying to infiltrate and to taste the fruits of occupation. Apparently, for those people living free among their own brethren are less viable, than doing menial works in Israel. Ever thought why?)
Arguments about who stole what or who was where first should be moot. It worries me that we all use the past to determine our future. I think it's bad policy.
But what really irks me is that what you hear (in the blogosphere, media, and among politicians) is all about identity. We have become so obsessed with the idea of "Palestine" or a majority Jewish state or whatever else we can fit into a box that we forget that there are actual people suffering daily.
Personally, I could care less about "Palestine" if all the people that lived in the occupied territories could live with some sort of dignity and prosperity. I guess that's too unrealistic though, which is sad.
Strangely, on one point I agree with you Akram.
I agree that we need to look at the reality of the situation now rather than get mired in the past. We have millions of both Jews and Palestinian Arabs next to one another and they need to find a way to live amicably with one another. Debating the history is interesting but it never seems to get us anywhere. It is time to discuss the reality that exists now and try and find solutions with the present rather than the past in mind.
Sorry, couldn't help it. One last post. More footage has become available and we can examine the video further.
LGF has two different clips of the scene at the Gaza Beach - one is the YouTube video. The other is a CNN video.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=20998_Cynical_Palestinian_Exploitation_Watch#comments
As you can see, some of the footage between these two different clips is shot from different angles - such as when the girl initially dives down next to the dead woman the first time.
In other words, there were multiple cameramen at the scene.
ROFLMAO! This is so absolutely contrived it is ridiculous. One cameraman on scene would have been extraordinary (especially given the fact that a cameraman is on scene just in time to catch the girl running for to the bodies and before emergency personnel have arrived at the bodies). But more than one?
This is just another example of Pallywood bullshit. Multiple cameras, ambulance immediately on cue, no blood, no debris, no shell fragments, no other people, one apparent victim stands up by himself. Do you really expect us to believe this bullshit?
Alb Sayed--what can I say...the video says it all.
Ohoud--Ameen. The video is for everyone to share; we are the alternative media, showing what is not shown on the msm.
Arabian Anon--As long as such images will continue to have an impact on people around the world, there is hope that some of us will make a difference. Welcome to my blog, and the blogosphere in general!
Djerbawy-- I cannot fathom how this act would be justified. Thank you for stopping by and sharing your thoughts.
Fathi Tobail--The strength and perseverance of the Palestinian people is our biggest inspiration. I assure you that not everyone is silent, we are speaking out, one by one, with the belief that our voices will challenge such oppression in Palestine and around the world. Thank you for your comment.
Natalia--that is one of the main challenges we face today, the dehumanization of the Palestinian people.
Andy--please reread my post carefully, I called it an atrocity, not a massacre. I don't like using hyperbolic language, like "genocide", "massacre", or "terrorism" because I believe that detracts from the meaning of the word. That is not to say that such an act of murder was anything other than barbaric. Call it what you want, innocents were murdered by a "democratic" occupying power for absolutely no reason. Israel has not provided the Palestinians with anything other than oppression and occupation. Any other "services" that you suggest are an *obligation* on any occupying power according to international law. Palestinian mothers are not having children in your hospitals; their newborns are dying at checkpoints where IOF soldiers prevent pregnant women from reaching hospitals. That is what Israel provides.
Tommy--It is comments like these that me believe that really do not want to engage in any dialogue. Sabbah's blog has a longer video which shows more images from the hospital. How do you expect that all 6 members of this girl's family were killed anyway? The Israelis have already admitted that they did fire the shells and that they are investigating. Why don't you send them an email with your questions? This video portrays the aftermath of the explosions, that is why all the seriously injured people were already in the hospitals. The only one left was the father who was clearly dead, the paramedics probably wanted to attempt to save the other lives. At least this video isn't edited like the CNN one you mentioned which doesn't show everything. If the truth hurts, don't watch it.
f.d.-- :(
Ahmad-- I would appreciate if you please refrain from making personal attacks and instead argue on facts. I understand your frustration, but it would be more helpful if you provided your personal reflection on the post, or any relevant response to the commentators. Thanks for stopping by.
Hasan-- I also question this immediate denial of events that occur, especially when Israel is at fault. I didn't get a change to welcome you to my blog in the earlier post, so welcome, and thanks for your comments.
Moab-- Like you, I don't understand why our cries for justice must muffled like this. I assure you that I will not be silenced. Welcome to my blog.
Andy--Mohammad al-Durrah was the first victim of the blood thirsty Zionist occupation?! LOL, maybe you have a long term memory loss or something? Could you please show me proof that he is getting married in Gaza? That is such a cheap shot! May God rest his soul. Palestinians do not aspire to take over Jordan; the majority of them were forced to move there after Israel's occupation of their lands, as refugees. Jordan was the only country that gave them citizenships which provided them with various rights and benefits. Still, Palestinians consider that the historical land of Philistine is their home, and do not want to "take over" Jordan or make it into their own state. It's not just about majority of population on any piece of land. If generations of my family lived in London and my history was rooted there, I wouldn't accept to be "replaced" to Munich or any other place. I don't think that the American Jew who just stepped off a plane in Tel Aviv has more right to the land than does a Palestinian who's family has lived there for decades. That American or Russian or Belgian Jew has no personal history there, so don't compare apples and oranges. It's not the same.
Akram--If Palestinians were offered to live the life of an well-off Israeli in Tel Aviv, granted Israeli citizenship, and considered an Israeli by all international standards, do you think they would be satisfied? It is about identity, and about Palestine and its history.
Tommy--I'm glad you find this "contrived" video funny. As well as the death of all six member's of this girl's family. Please, take those blinders off your eyes and have some heart.
Thank you for the additional video moi! This finally gives me the definitive proof I need to say the video is completely fake.
Freeze the video at exactly 1:27 running. You'll notice the "dead" man's right arm, which used to be above his head is now laying at his side. Complete BS.
You've all been punked.
Thank you, Moi. I linked to your tape of the video.
"Palestinians do not aspire to take over Jordan" Tell me, do the name of Yasser Arafat or "Black September" ring something in your mind, or not? Pals want to grab anything they can lay their hands on: Jordan, or Lebanon, or my country. Btw, Philistines were not semites, although they adopted the language. Or, do you want to count some uncircumcized Indo-Europeans as your ancestors?
" Palestinian mothers are not having children in your hospitals"
Well, they do
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/
Satellite?cid=1137605923388&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FPrinter
Although sometimes patients from Gaza are trying to kill the doctors
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Obstacle+to+Peace/Terrorism+and+Islamic+Fundamentalism-/Attack+by+female+suicide+bomber+thwarted+at+Erez+crossing+20-Jun-2005.htm
Don't miss the video!
Sorry for incorrect link
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1137605923388&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FPrinter
The last word in an URL is "Printer"
Another link
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15768100&BRD=1425&PAG=461&dept_id=154733&rfi=6
Andy : lets just call IDF operations as : ' operations " !!! What an operation was that when they fired a family on the beach ?
President Abbas speech yesterday was a very touching one. It called Israel to stop its violations for international law and start peace negotiations.
By the way : rockets fired from Gaza are being launched by individuals , no more. The firing on the beach was an " operation " with permission and orders.
Everyone is sorry for what happened last 2 days.
And by the way : Israel is an occupier, and this is not my words , this is international law, so lets not argue on basics, Andy
tommy,
Was Israel's attack on the USS Liberty in 1967 also staged by Palestinians?
What about the terrorist attacks on the British troops prior to 1948?
When you hear Olmert claim ""I reject outright any and all attempts to impinge on the morality of the IDF. The IDF is the most moral military in the world; there has never been -- and there isn't now -- a policy of attacking civilians."
It only shows he is lieing.
Who claims he is "THE MOST" at something unless he has nothing truethful to say?
Jordan has declained responsibilities for "West Bank", Egypt officially has no territorial claims to Israel, the country of "Palestine" didn't existed in 1967(as well as a notion of "Palestinian nation") "Occupation" applies to conflicls between STATES. So those tiny piece of land is best described as "disputed". Mind you, Trans-Jordanian annexation of "West Bank" in 1949 was not accepted internationally. Or this info is not to be found in your history books? History has many different faces.
Btw, I don't like Olmert either. Probably the reason of my dislike is quite different from yours; You may hate him, because he happens to be an Israeli Jew, I despise him because he is a corrupt crook. A question: I have asked a few things about Jordan - and your silence presents me with a sort of an answer. Is your blog being censored? If not, please, some words about your country - what makes it so unique that it cannot be Palestine? I mean, officially. Is it some specific traits of Jordanians, so they cannot stand seeing Palestinians, or some misterious twists of your religion, or maybe they speak a dialect of Arabic you cannot comprehend? When Jordan becomes Palestine, just think how much international aid you will get! How about prestige for ending the conflict? Noble Prize for the King? Or, maybe your love for your Palestinian relatives is growing with a distance?
P.S. I like this blog design. Simple & cool.
Andy, here is a simple answer.
I don't know where you are from, if you understand arab culture.
We can solve this issue if we gave them a new home, yes Jordan is mostly palestinians. We are basicly the same people, did you forget that the west bank was part of Jordan? So yes you are right, it would solve it.
The issue here is not practicality, its rather of principle and honor.
For arabs, death is not the worst that can happen. Whats worse is being dishonored and losing ones self respect and dignity. The Palestinians know that they can leave and live a much better and prosperous life somewhere else, Jordan is an option.
But they chose to stay there out of principle, that no one can take their home and expect to get away with it. Now whether biblicly this is their home or not, I personaly think that a 60 year old house contract is more credable than a 2000 year old bible.
The ME issue will never be resolved. The Israelis have settled in and its too late to just pack and leave. And the Pals are still holding to their right of return because it would be shameful otherwise, and it would destroy any sense of justice in this world if they just accpeted their fate.
I don't think the world would want to live in a place where a persons home is robbed and nothing is done about it. IF that happens, you will see people kicked out of their rightful homes continiously.
The Palestinians are safe guarding this principle for all humans, that right and justice must be protected even if it means eternal suffering. Thats why you see thousands of arabs trying to get into the west bank and gaza to share the missery but are stopped by both Jordan and Israel.
Israel welcomes any palestinian to leave at any time, but he won't be let back in.
I personaly think that the only way the issue will be resolved is by nature taking its course. The palestinians live a much simpler life, they value children a lot and to them (and muslims in general) having kids is the purpose and joys of life.
Israel on the other hand is becomening ever so secular, only a small fundimental group is still holding onto the Jewish identity as a path, and prefere a lifestyle that mirrors that of the west. 1 or 2 kids, enough money for yearly vacations, more comfort, less responsibility to rasie the kids.
With time, the population of the Palestinians will increase so much that Israel will have to deal with them, unless they wipe them out in a genocide. Thats why Israel is not pushing curfews anymore, because they noticed that 9 months later the Pals birth rate sky rockets as they have nothing better to do in a curfew than some "little loving."
Andy, about olmert "You may hate him, because he happens to be an Israeli Jew,"
I wouldn't be that harsh to put words in our mouths. If you hate a person because he is arab or muslim, thats your issue, everyone doesn't neceserily think like you.
I personly have no personal hatered towards most of the Israeli leaders as they are purely working out of self interest for the Israeli nation, unlike many of our arab leaders. I have great respects for a leader who puts his own peoples interest above his own.
As for a leaders unjust treatment of other people, the Pals in this case, I will voice my distress and leave the rest to God to punish and reward on the day of judgment.
We arabs would love to have a leader that cared about our interest 1st, but NOT on the expense of other people, because it renders it immoral.
You can't do an immoral act for a moral cause. "FDR or someone"
In 1977, a PLO executive stated the following in an interview:
"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct 'Palestinian people' to oppose Zionism.[...]For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa. While as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan."
Concerning the beach incident:
"First, I want to respond to what happened, an incident where innocent, uninvolved people were hurt, but I've already stressed that our expression of sorrow is not a suggestion of responsibility," said Chief of Staff Lieutenant General Dan Halutz this evening during a press conference held to discuss the events on the Gaza coast."
So we have to wait and see what the outcome of investigations will be.
BTW: Yesterday a qassam rocket was fired at Jabalya refugee camp in northern Gaza, injuring four Palestinians, medical sources said. Haven't heard of investigations or expressions of sorrow from palestinian side so far, though. I assume no cameras were present?
Nothing wrong with a 'secular' Israeli lifestyle. Problem is, the Palestinians are people. Human beings. I recently had a long and ugly conversation with a man who kept calling them "animals." We've a long way to go.
To Natalia
I don't call them amimals. They are humans brainwashed into savagery. Nobody's asking a knife how does it feel inside someone's flesh. They just let themselves to be a tool of alien interests. When the day will come and they will treasure their children more then some "principles", however "noble"
to Hassan
It happens to me to look through some cartoons in Arab newspapers with Jewish monsters featuring prominently.
Hitler's Mein Kampf is forever in top ten, isn't it? Just tell me how dearly you love the Jews. Unfortunately the magic mantra "Some of my best friends are Jewish" isn't working in Arab world. Your governments made 600,000 Jews refugees in 1950s-1960s, kicking them out to Israel and robbing them in the process. So, there IS a refugee problem in the Middle East after all.
But overall I'm quite amazed by the tolerant attitudes in this company:)
moi i really thank u 4 putting this under light 4 those who haven't seen it. the video is -as with all we see daily of the isreali attacks- touching and makes u wonder how the polititians can appear n public acting as if nothing happened.
investigation?? yeah right...
Andy "I don't call them amimals. They are humans brainwashed into savagery. Nobody's asking a knife how does it feel inside someone's flesh."
This is how we arabs view Israelis too. So who's perception is clearer? Dont you see!!? You are exaclty like us!!And we are exactly like you!
As for the "noble" cause, I don't think Israel leaves much for a child to hope for in Palestine as they continiously get shot at in their class rooms by settlers and IDF forces alike, as well as sabotaging streets, cars, trees and basic aminities when they enter for "operartions."
You give a Palestinian enough space to breath, to go to school, collage and to forward for a job to then get married, only then would you erase any potential for brainwashing.
It's as simple as that, stop attacking and savaging the palestinians, they would also stop.
Now we are back to chicken or the egg. That is why only nature will solve this mess, because non of us are willing to compromise and admit fault at anything.
You keep living as a victim, and we will keep living as a victim. You have your illusions and we have ours. What any conversation such as this one should try to accomplish is to erase these illusions and cure our schizophreniak state. We shouldn;t try to see things as my side against yours, because we have been doing this for the past 60 years and nothing has changed.
I can go on for days about the stupidity of us arabs, our arab leaders, and especialy the PLO's. I don't care that these people share the same language and same religion. But my attitude towards this conflict is of the polarized stance the world has cursed this area as much as your attitude is also the result of this upbrining.
It's not a coincidence that the majority of arabs support Palestinians while the majority of the Americans support Israel. It is how we were raised and our environment that basicly dictated what side we are on. And because both sides have done great mistakes, it makes it even easier to make sense of our aliance to one side and not the other. We are all blaiming each other.
I suggest that we turn off our PC's and go have a good look at what BOTH sides are doing. There are many variables, both sides don't react based on the simple and few incidents that we hear about on the news. There is so much going on, today and historicly that all of the actions happening every day is the result of thousands of these considerations.
Our argument has turned into the same old record of "its your fault, not mine and I can prove it. we were here 1st" Same argument I had the 1st time I was aware of this issue when I was 16.
Seriously, what do all of us here expect to accomplish? We havn;t learned anything. No one has shown any signs of change of view. No one has even considered or appreciated the other sides situation. This is getting old.
I thought you might be playing devils advocate because I assumed we are both on the same side, the side of truth and objectivity.
Hasan, no point arguing, my distant Arab cousin. Apparently, we're so similar just because both of us are sufficiently westernized to use computer and English. With all due respect, I don't feel like being exactly like you. Maybe because I am less emotional and a bit older. Don't you agree, that people who suffered some natural or man-made disaster together are and will ever remain different? What is common to us is a conflict, without it we're total strangers. Arabs and Israelis in Europe generally dislike cafe-au-lait. Does it make us exacly bosom-buddies?
All the best.
ignore my last comment, was meant for another thread.
We are exactly the same in how we see the other side as being at fault, metaphoricly speaking.
You missed the point.
We both geniunly feel that the other side is more brutal, more unforgiving, and more mischevious.
So dont go on defending your side without expecting the other to defend his the exact same way you are defending yours.
I think you are wrong, we are the same. We both dislike it when someone lies to us, or cheats on us, or steals from us. We both want what's best for us, and will find those incommon with us to help us achieve or defend a goal.
I frankly think that this man made differences of language and national borders is what conditioned us to think of each other humanly different.
As for a cafe-au-lait, me and my brother differ on the taste and we are of same blood, family, race, language and religion. It is not these similiarities I am talking about. Call me naive, but I was thinking more on a global scale, where all people living on this planet are humans.
oi... why can't we all just get along?
--ps, thanks for the cake, moi.
Not only is the video dubious but now Hamas is trying to destroy any possible evidence:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1149572656052&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
This whole thing is phony.
So is it:
"Yaaaabaaaa!!!" Another Hamas Atrocity
or
"Yaaaabaaaa!!!" Al-Dura: The Sequel?
Moi, just let the screams out of your head, God is there for her and for us, she'll be fine, no worries.
their just doing their regular hunting picnics, and then you find their dogs yelping from their bubble of lies …oho they came here as well :-), it's ok moi, just don't waste your time in replying them, Cheap games and playing around the words are the only things they can do for now, just IGNORE them.
To make a long story short, just do not forget 2 things:
1.We Palestinians believe "the harder the struggle the greater the triumph"
2.What goes around comes around.
Just wait and see, soon you'll be proud of this video :-)
No worry, Mohammad. Soon Mr Ahmadimajnoon will drop an A-bomb at Israel, obliterating Palestinians in the process. Still keep him as a great new Saladin, eh? Btw, when did you pay your water and electricity bills last time? (presuming you're grovelling under the brutal boot of Zionist occupation)
Zarqawi was bombed and his face isnt any more disfigured than the little babies' faces.
The guy who made the documentary "Pallywood" has some thoughts on the video:
http://www.theaugeanstables.com/2006/06/12/is-it-pallywood-thoughts-on-the-footage-from-the-gaza-beach/
For you, Muhammed
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I will read this pallywood invistigation if you read this invistigation:
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
Staging attacks to further ones own goals has become the trend today: http://www.911truthseekers.org/modules/weblog/
If indeed the Palestinians staged this attack, they are only learning it from the big guys. (poorly I would say.
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An article in the Jerusalem Post has new evidence supporting the idea that Hamas caused the accident.
Shrapnel extracted from a victim "showed an inconsistency between the shrapnel found in the body of one of the wounded babies and the metal used in IDF artillery."
Also, the lack of a large-enough crater on the beach.
The article continues:
The leading theory currently entertained, suggested that an explosive charge, buried by Palestinians on the Gaza beach to prevent Israeli infiltration, was behind the explosion.
Throughout the whole investigation, army officials complained about the lack of Palestinian cooperation. Unconfirmed reports further suggested attempts by Palestinians to remove shrapnel from the bodies of the wounded, treated in Israeli hospitals, thus impeding the investigation.
Oh well. Sacrificing children is nothing new for Hamas, I suppose.
You can find the article online. The title is "Report: Chances slim that IDF shell killed Gazans on beach."
This ridiculous footage is obviously another Pallywood hoax like the Mohamad al-Dura film and the imaginary Jenin "massacre". There are more holes in this B-movie production than a sieve. I'm amazed that anyone would be gullible enough to believe it. At best, this video is a bad recreation, at worst (and more likely), it's just another Paleostinian propaganda ploy to pull at heartstrings and demonize Jews. Well, go find another sucker, I ain't buying it.
Anonymous take it easy, I know it's too painful to believe, isn't it? But unfortunately "Hollywood" with all it's improvement in the cinema world could not take any shot like your crimes' scenes :-) your violence against the humanity is over any imagination, so come on, get used to the bloody Zionist scenarios away from your fake media, welcome to the real world!
Less pathetics, please. Israel is at war with "Palestinians". War involves casualties within civil population on both sides. You want war - so YOU GET IT. As simple as that. Before 1967 war your late king wanted to "pave the road from Jerusalem to Tel Aviv with the sculls of Israelis". The outcome was a bit different, though.
Let's get over the games and playing around the words and definitions, you know it's not a war, it's an occupation and strugglers want to get their land back. Who asked for a war?
Buddy, I saw a blown bus in Jerusalem a few years ago. Blood was evrywhere. Body parts and entrails were flown up to the third floors & balconies of nearby buildings. The stench of charred flesh was really getting on me and my fellow rescue workers. It's a war. You know this. If you, "Palestinians" will persist in your terrorist war the inevitable outcome will come sooner - you will take a short trip through Allenby bridge eastward. All of you.
Nobody knows what could have been but God (praise be on Him) alone. Just think what incredible odds my people had against them a 100 years ago - dispersed, despised and powerless throughout the world. No oil, no army, no common modern langguage - and yet we have achieved a lot - being united and determined and using our brains properly. It is true that Palestinian people exist NOW. They emulate Israelis almost in everything - but still no success. Predestination is a part of Moslem religion (as far as my limited knowledge goes) Maybe it's a will of God?
I agree that this video must be a fake, and Muhammad Al-Durra was a fake, and it's just another Pallywood production. EXACTLY just like the Holocust was fake, and never happened. Any pictures you have ever seen of it -- any footage or stories -- were doctored and fake and funny. Right, Andy? Right, Tommy?
Boy, conspiracies theories are so much fun. It's fun to ridicule and question and deny human loss.
[On a side note to those whose hearts bleed for their Muslim brothers and sisters -- or anyone with a heart for the murdered innocent -- I'm not sure what part of that video was more devestating: the girl crying, or that young, though grown, man, crying as well. Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raji'oon. May Allah forgive us for all that we are neglecting to do so far, and aid us in doing it.]
poor little girl,
i just want every one of u imagine himself seing his father lying dead on the beach after being killed by someone.. i can't get her screaming out of my head.. everytime i see this video i can't stop crying.. it is another crime that the israelies make .. when will they get the hell out of palestine and leave the poor people alone. i can't stand seing people as victims!!
War is hell.
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